Tuesday 04/06/2005 - The Masters on Politics
Please read and enjoy the latest of documents from Sensei Neil Horton. These were gathered whilst he interviewed them over the past 12 months. We hope you enjoy pondering these words of wisdom as much as we do. They truly are wise words from some of the major figures in world martial arts today!


PART TWO ~ MASTERS THOUGHTS BY NEIL HORTON

POLITICS AND SPLINTERING

 

This month I have addressed an issue that is common throughout the martial arts fraternity. Politics and the splintering of groups occurred from day one and continues to do so. Again, I have asked a selection of masters and friends to assist me answer the question, 'What effects have politics and the splintering of groups had on the martial arts?'

Contributions this months come from Tatsuo Suzuki, Steve Arneil, Leo Lipinski, Patrick McCarthy, Robin Horsfall, Wai-Po Tang, Tommy Morris, Kevin Pell, John Waite and Dave Oliver.

 

"I hate politics. The most important thing in the martial arts is that we all help each other. Politics can create hatred between martial artists. Many countries have  politics, simply because someone wants to be at the top. There is always someone who wants to be the leader. Politics is ridiculous. All martial artists should work together and become one. There should not be a place for politics in the martial arts."
Tatsuo Suzuki, 8 dan Wado-ryu.

 

"I try very hard to stay out of the way of politics. Politics can destroy karate and the martial arts. It annoys me when people try to push politics and destroy such a beautiful art. Unfortunately, there are those people out there that will always breakaway from their masters and try and think they are better than everyone else. I don't have time for it all, I prefer to be busy with the training and the coaching."
Steve Arneil, 9 dan Kyokushinkai

 

"Politics in Modern Martial Arts is rife. Whenever you have the possibility of more than one individual being in "control" --be it with a group of Martial
Arts practitioners or simply society in general you can have (almost) as many "agendas" as there are people. Far too often politicians are guilty of having agendas that contradict the needs and wants of the people they represent. This can result in distorted and incorrect decisions being made for the wrong reasons and motives. Motives can vary from power to economic and sometimes both--with the same person. It is such a broad subject that it is easier to keep it brief and simplistic.

Splintering of Groups - To address this point I suppose the logical way is to arrange it under headings as to why splintering commonly takes place:
1)Money issues
2)Power and control
3)An instructor does not get graded so he hives off and becomes independent
and somehow gets an awarded grade from the new organisation so formed.
4)Breakaway groups from Japanese based organisations.
Various reasons again ( I left mine many years ago for 2 reasons--one being dissatisfaction with the quality of the foreigners in the group. Another being that the technical level was no longer satisfactory for me. I wanted something more with a larger and deeper technical base. However I replaced it with an alternative Japanese organisation.)
5)A senior instructor dies (Japanese or other) and there is a natural tendency for some of the senior followers to go in different directions. Various reasons--some of which are stated above.
6)EGO possibly one of the major reasons for splintering."
Leo Lipinski, 7th dan Goju.

 

"Groups splintering have no effect on the actual martial art itself. the art is the art. The standard is only as good as the teacher who teaches and understands what he or she is teaching. Most karate teachers are good at their art unfortunately some of them are poor leaders and man managers. When a group splinters it is usually but not always due to bad management."
Robin Horsfall, 5th dan Shukokai

 

"I think the politics of a splintering group is always contentious to the organisation they broke away from.  A lot of martial artists misinterpret politics of martial arts for the methods in which instructors/masters talk badly about others; and often politics is intertwined with ethics and traditions.  Politics is important and a part of martial arts but the trivial bitching or nonsensical bickering is certainly damaging to the martial art fraternity. A major problem with a lot martial arts masters is the misuse of lineage or history or traditions or even language as a method of validity to their theories on performance and supremacy. This kind of politics is definitely damaging to the martial arts fraternity – in lay term bullshit!

 

I presume each breakaway group have their reasons, and is difficult to know the truth of a specific matter.  Obviously partition of a relationship is a result of dissatisfaction on certain matters, which either party cannot reconcile.  However, if the breakaway occurs as result of just setting up competition to its former organisation, then I would consider this to be a poor reason and contrary to Martial Art traditions or code of honour.  But if a student or instructor feels he or she is being ripped-off or constantly humiliated, then that would be a good reason to breakaway."
Master Wai-Po Tang, Wing Chun

"Unfortunately karate politics is not of a high order and I believe in many cases has been extremely negative and damaging to advancement of karate. Personal interest in many cases has taken preference."
Tommy Morris, 8th dan Shito-ryu

 

"Generally, no. I think in many ways it has been a good thing in as much that some of the so called governing bodies became just a little bit too big for their boots and were possibly seen as a dictatorship with occasional use of bully boy tactics. In the last 15 or so years, the martial arts world has changed dramatically and instructors the world over are in constant communication with each other via the internet and telephone in order to assist each other in terms of growth, education and the future development of their chosen discipline."
Kevin Pell, 8th dan Ju-jitsu

 

"There are always those who want to organise things. No matter how well run and organised an individual group is. The justification for setting up a committee is "Strength in number" or the rallying cry 'United we stand but divided we fall". In some cases these are sometimes made by insecure individuals who feel that by sitting on such and such a committee will give the individual credibility and status.

A democratically elected group can be an advantage in so much that there are those who have little or no interest or ability to standardise their activity and need some sort of guidance. However, saying that you usually find that in the majority people just want to get on with their activity of being a student or instructor/coach. What happens then is you get the situation where a few self elected people begin to dominate the activity and dictate policy and development. Not always to the benefit of the activity as a whole.

I have found that initially the people who take up the ELECTED posts voluntarily do so with the best will in the world. What happens then is that as the voluntary group start to obtain status and funding suddenly others want to join the COMMITTEE and start to tell the 95 percent of the participants what should and will be done. With such things as funding and promotion standards and it usually transpires to the benefit of the 5 percent of the participants who are usually hell bent on developing their own ego and status any way.

Of course a well organised and democratically elected committee will always be to the advantage of all. However, we do have situations which create problems and that is when decisions are made without any kind of referral to the majority of the people involved in the activity. Consequently you then get dissatisfied individuals setting up their own splinter groups. If I may quote a remark made by the late Charles Palmer of the British Judo Association at an AGM where the amalgamation of three of the largest judo groups in the UK was being discussed.

He said" If this amalgamation takes place that will be great. However, if this is agreed at this meeting, you can bet that by 9.00 am tomorrow morning there will be another group setting itself up somewhere in this country"

So far as I know there are approximately 18 groups representing some group or other of Judo in the UK to date. Unless, as in some European countries all martial artists of any description are regulated by the government then you will always have individuals setting themselves up as authorities of one kind or another. Again this has happened in the UK with the BJA being regarded at the authority for Judo and the BAB (British Aikido Board) being regarded as an authority (NOT THE) for Aikido. However even in that situation there are various groups who do not belong to either body.

Until such times as an appointed body or board is set up, laying down nationally accepted standards of Health and Safety, Well established venues, Coaching standards and qualifications the situation will stay as it is. However, should this governmentally appointed body be set up. The next problem will be "Who is watching the watchers" because unless those people are kept accountable once again there will be those who see themselves as authorities and start to dictate standards and policies. With little or no regard for the hardworking individual at the chalk face who is running his or her club effectively and to the satisfaction of their members."
John Waite, 7th dan Aikido, 5th dan Judo

 

"I think this has two sides, politics for instance, I feel has been negative particularly in Tae Kwon Do because of the style being split between W.T.F practitioners and I.T.F. style practitioners and the complete difference in their competition rules and syllabus. The fact that W.T.F style was able to get into the Olympics because of Dr. Un Young Kims position and  influence with the I.O.C and the other political fact that General Choi introduced I.T.F. style tae kwon do into communist North Korea to counter the WTF’s political strength with the I.O.C. Both sides were playing politics and were not really concerned with tae kwon do as an art, but now Dr. Kim’s has been removed maybe the WTF will become less sport orientated, but I doubt it.  I said that once General Choi passed away that the ITF would go into disarray and that is exactly what's happened with I think four different bodies claiming to be the real ITF!.

As for groups splintering in our own case the TAGB it has only been beneficial for the student body and this is reflected in our memberships which at the present time stands at 23,000. We have been able to help form TKD International which accepts membership from both styles of tae kwon do – WTF and ITF and at our world championships this year both styles will be on show. So no, splintering for us was beneficial not negative."
Dave Oliver, 7th dan Taekwondo

 

Neil Horton, Secretary of the Martial Arts Brotherhood, has created a Masters Council from a variety of highly experienced and respected masters, some of which have helped compile this series. The Masters Council has agreed to arrange multi-style seminars and act as a technical advisory body for all martial artists regardless of style or thought. Council members include, Steve Arneil, Ross Iannoccaro, Doug James, Alfie Lewis, Leo Lipinski, Dave Oliver, Kevin Pell, Peter Spanton and John Waite. Further information can be obtained by email neil.horton@tiscali.co.uk Alternatively, contact Neil on 07916 206721 or write to:

33 Bristnall Hall Road, Oldbury, Warley, West Midlands.B68 9TS

 

© Martial Arts Brotherhood 2005

 

Part 1 - Quotations

Part 2 - Politics

Part 3 - Strengths